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[john-thomas richards]

On Sat, May 08, 2004 at 05:34:07PM -0700, Christopher l Rose wrote:
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> Gee, I am misunderstood again. The rapture creates a situation in which there are TWO judgments, not only one. Think of it this way, for us Christians to be "raptured", God would have to judge us first. After all, how can we stand before God unless we are first judged? Yes, we have perfect forgiveness in Christ, but we too shall be judged. Thus, one of my reasons for not believing in the rapture, for I believe that there is only ONE judgment, not two (or three as some circles believe).

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your argument is there cannot be a rapture if the final judgment has not
occurred because believers cannot stand before God prior to this
judgment.  where are all the believers who have died up to this point?
are they not with Jesus?
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john-thomas
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