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[Josiah Ritchie]

If you're just playing with it. Use whatever you have lying around.
Any hardware will do. Best hardware for a job is directly related to
the desired application. What do you want your server to do?

JSR/

On 5/4/09, Tyler Garland <tylerjgarland at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, I had a question as to which server system I should start out with? I
> am wanting to just experiment with a server, but have shy a clue where to
> start.
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> ------------------Tyler Garland---------------|
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> Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a
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>>   1. Re: Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented to      succeed?
>>      A friend tells it like it is!! (Fred A. Miller)
>>   2. Re: Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes        resources
>>      (Karl Kleinpaste)
>>   3. Re: Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes        resources
>>      (Timothy Butler)
>>   4. Re: Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented to      succeed?
>>      A friend tells it like it is!! (Timothy Butler)
>>   5. Re: Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes        resources
>>      (Jon Glass)
>>   6. Re: Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented to      succeed?
>>      A friend tells it like it is!! (Eduardo S?nchez)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 20:17:46 -0400
>> From: "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller at lightlink.com>
>> Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented
>>        to      succeed? A friend tells it like it is!!
>> To: "A Christian virtual Free Software and Linux Users Group."
>>        <christiansource at ofb.biz>
>> Message-ID: <49FE342A.9090706 at lightlink.com>
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>> Timothy Butler wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >     Oops, sorry, Fred.  I thought that was an odd sentiment from you.
>>
>> No, it wouldn't be, but I was trying to tell you something without
>> specifics.
>>
>> >>>    It's more the bumps they'd run into if they kept using it, my
>> >>> original list, that would scare them off. I think Linux is ready
>> >>> enough
>> >>> for use under a system administrator in an office environment, though.
>> >>
>> >> Of course, it has been for sometime as I've been doing it for sometime.
>> >> ;) SuSE, of course.
>> >
>> >     I took note because I had never gotten a positive reaction from
>> > Linux before. In fact, the same user had used the old Mandrake 9/KDE 3
>> > system this new one replaced and always complained. When Ubuntu popped
>> > up with its nice little tribal-themed startup sound, attractive
>> > wallpaper and tasteful window manager effects...
>> >
>> >     Quite encouraging.
>>
>> Good! There's a LOT more happy users out there than you think.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> --
>> Gun-toting Americans are clearly more self-sufficient than the sissy
>> Europeans. This is great news for everyone except Barney Frank, who's
>> always secretly wondered what it would be like to be taken by a Somali
>> pirate.
>> --Ann Coulter
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 20:37:10 -0400
>> From: Karl Kleinpaste <karl at kleinpaste.org>
>> Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes
>>        resources
>> To: christiansource at ofb.biz
>> Message-ID: <vxk1vr5d7pl.fsf at awol.kleinpaste.org>
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>> Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz> writes:
>> > my point is that it would bring Linux development much closer to Mac
>> > OS X development.
>>
>> I for one do not regard MacOSX parity as an asymptote toward which to
>> strive.  If I wanted a Mac, I'd buy a Mac.
>>
>> If the goal was simply to clone Mac behavior, that would represent the
>> acquisition of typically small Mac market share.  I would rather
>> implement something new and interesting enough to take away an
>> equivalent percentage of Windows market share, which is a heck of a lot
>> larger user population.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:41:25 -0500
>> From: Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz>
>> Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes
>>        resources
>> To: "A Christian virtual Free Software and Linux Users Group."
>>        <christiansource at ofb.biz>
>> Message-ID: <BA61AF72-EF89-4FCA-9103-8E04CB8A9177 at ofb.biz>
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>>
>> On May 3, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
>>
>> > Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz> writes:
>> >> my point is that it would bring Linux development much closer to Mac
>> >> OS X development.
>> >
>> > I for one do not regard MacOSX parity as an asymptote toward which to
>> > strive.  If I wanted a Mac, I'd buy a Mac.
>>
>>        No, what I'm thinking of more than cloning a Mac is gaining Mac
>> software. You have a lot of independent developers on the Mac that
>> would be far more open minded towards porting their wares to Linux if
>> they could easily do so. You have even more people who are getting
>> their first taste of development via Object C/Cocoa. If those
>> developers like what they learn, and have a good place to take it to...
>>
>>        I would note that trying to clone what is good about the Mac is
>> probably worthwhile though, since it garners near universal praise.
>> Not to compete with the Mac, but rather to catch those people who ooh
>> and aah over it, but want a $300 netbook or a $1,000 tower rather than
>> a $999 laptop or a $2,200 workstation.
>>
>>        -Tim
>>
>> ---
>> Timothy R. Butler | "Aim at heaven and you will get earth thrown in.
>> Editor, OfB.biz   |  Aim at earth and you get neither."
>> tbutler at ofb.biz   |                                   -- C.S. Lewis
>> timothybutler.us  |
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:45:57 -0500
>> From: Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz>
>> Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented
>>        to      succeed? A friend tells it like it is!!
>> To: "A Christian virtual Free Software and Linux Users Group."
>>        <christiansource at ofb.biz>
>> Message-ID: <D97124F7-E973-429D-8E98-006D4381C2FE at ofb.biz>
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>> >> like with some fit and finish it could be far more interesting than
>> >> GNOME or KDE.
>> >
>> > I'll go with pushing Haiku, if only because the GUI is vastly
>> > superior to X. I'm praying the Haiku folks can come up with a
>> > functional ACPI framework for suspend modes, and a strong driver set
>> > for wifi. That's about all it would take for me to switch.
>>
>>        I'm not sure why one of the big OEMs doesn't dump some money into
>> Haiku to finish it up. For the amount HP spent on its skin for its
>> netbook Linux, for example, they perhaps could have had a entirely
>> unique OS to call its own. (And, since it would be paying for the
>> drivers, for at least awhile, the OS would naturally favor its own
>> hardware.)
>>
>>        -Tim
>>
>> ---
>> Timothy R. Butler | "Because philosophy arises from awe, a philosopher
>> tbutler at ofb.biz   | is bound in  his  way to  be a lover of myths  and
>> www.uninet.info   | poetic fables. Poets and philosophers are alike in
>> timothybutler.us  | being big with wonder."
>>                                                      -- Thomas Aquinas
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:23:39 +0200
>> From: Jon Glass <jonglass at usa.net>
>> Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes
>>        resources
>> To: "A Christian virtual Free Software and Linux Users Group."
>>        <christiansource at ofb.biz>
>> Message-ID:
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>> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz> wrote:
>> > but rather to catch those people who ooh and aah over it, but want a
>> > $300
>> > netbook or a $1,000 tower rather than a $999 laptop or a $2,200
>> workstation.
>> >
>> Those people go the Hackintosh route.... ;-)
>>
>>
>> --
>>  -Jon Glass
>> Krakow, Poland
>> <jonglass at usa.net>
>>
>> "I don't believe in philosophies. I believe in fundamentals." --Jack
>> Nicklaus
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 07:51:32 -0400
>> From: Eduardo S?nchez <lists at sombragris.org>
>> Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented
>>        to      succeed? A friend tells it like it is!!
>> To: "A Christian virtual Free Software and Linux Users Group."
>>        <christiansource at ofb.biz>
>> Message-ID: <200905040751.33257.lists at sombragris.org>
>> Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I must run to work, but I would like to point out this:
>>
>> On Sunday 03 May 2009 16.08.15 Timothy Butler wrote:
>>
>> >       KDE needs two things, I think, to be what it really should be
>> > (because it has always been technologically sound): stable and
>> > simple.
>> >
>> >       Stable in this sense: In 10 years, KDE has broken binary
>> > compatibility 3 times. GNOME and Mac OS have broken it once, and both
>> > with sufficient ease of running older library side-by-side that few
>> > people noticed it. Windows has not fully broken it ever. KDE ought to
>> > commit to insuring ABI integrity for 10 years -- even if it means
>> > eventually having multiple versions of the libraries, so long as one
>> > configuration tool can manage all of them. With Qt now LGPL'ed,
>> > businesses might consider it -- rather than their traditional
>> > preference for GNOME -- but they'll want assurance that KDE is
>> > serious about business first.
>>
>> It's perfectly doable, and I don't think it's much of KDE's business.
>> Right now I can run KDE3 and KDE4 apps simultaneously because Slackware
>> provides a KDE3 compatibility layer (with selected libraries, and so
>> on). This comes at the cost that right now I am not able to compile KDE3
>> stuff on this machine (only KDE4 stuff). But the point is that binary
>> compatibility *can* be done in a matter of something as simple as
>> installing packages, and even an undermanned, underpowered and simple
>> distro can do that in a very simple way. Why the Fedoras and Ubuntus of
>> the world can't, then?
>>
>> >
>> >       Simple in this sense: even if you do provide massive
>> configurability
>> > to the user, it should be hidden in advanced dialog boxes. The basic
>> > configuration boxes should be simple enough that a novice can feel
>> > confident changing basic settings without reading a manual.
>>
>> I think systemsettings does the job quite nicely.
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> Eduardo
>>
>> --
>> Eduardo Sanchez, B. Th.
>> Traductor P?blico Ingl?s-Espa?ol
>> http://shadow.sombragris.org
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>>   Her little Children stumbling in the Dark?"
>>  And--"A blind understanding!" Heav'n replied.
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>>        -- The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam
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