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Article Path: Home: Religion and Philosophy: Economic Savior, Part 2: Predisposed to Belief Re: Economic Savior, Part 2: Predisposed to Belief To say there is “no more hard evidence supporting atheism” indicates unfamiliarity with logic and the rules of evidence. Atheism is a lack of a belief. For instance, I lack a belief that you are a rapist. It is not incumbent on me to prove your innocence; it is incumbent for the one making the claim to prove you are a rapist. Of course, there is no evidence supporting evidence. Just as there is no evidence you aren’t a rapist. The burden of proof lies with the one making a positive assertion and all that needs be done when that happens is disprove the evidence. Innocence is the default position because it is the negative position. For rational people the same is true of atheism. You only believe when evidence is presented. I would suspect you don’t believe in Santa, but can you present evidence he doesn’t exist? I was once in seminary myself and they didn’t teach basic logic and the rules of evidence when I went either. Posted by cls - Apr 2, 2009 | 2:10:55 Re: Economic Savior, Part 2: Predisposed to Belief CLS, Thanks for commenting. Let me interact a little bit with a few of your statements… “The burden of proof lies with the one making a positive assertion and all that needs be done when that happens is disprove the evidence.” Why? What reason or evidence do you have to believe that the default position should be doubt or skepticism until proven otherwise? Why not the other way around? We westerners need to understand how distinctly cultural that view is. “For instance, I lack a belief that you are a rapist.” Is there any difference between “not believing that you are a rapist” and “believing that you are not a rapist”? Both are synonymous statements reached through an evaluation of evidence and experience. This belief will influence how you behave toward the other person, thus requiring some degree of trust in that belief (in the same way that we trust the law of gravity to be true when we choose not to jump off a cliff). Atheists are not without belief, they simply believe that God does not exist. It’s practically impossible to have a conversation about theism if everyone isn’t on the same page on this (which is why I HATE when Christians refer to non-Christians as “unbelievers.” How incredibly arrogant and shortsighted…). Posted by Brad Edwards - Apr 2, 2009 | 9:8:16 Re: Economic Savior, Part 2: Predisposed to Belief You missed his point entirely. That is about logic, not about personal evaluation of claims of atheists and theists. I can say “I don’t have a car”. Assuming we agree on definitions have and house, that is negative statement and default - it would be preposterous to claim that because we don’t know whether a random person has a car that he does. Now, if you discover documents for my car, or see me driving a car, or read in NYTimes that I got into car accident driving, or find my blog post bragging about my new car, you will have varying degree of certainty that I do have one. Atheism is not a "belief that there's no god". Now, whether there IS such evidence, is another question. Moreover, the best that theists have that indirectly alludes to god never points to any particular god - it might be pink unicorn, flying spaghetti monster or sentient teapot. Posted by Sergey Shelukhin - Oct 7, 2009 | 2:56:32 Re: Economic Savior, Part 2: Predisposed to Belief sorry house->car in one place. + yet another “Moreover” to the end. Posted by Sergey Shelukhin - Oct 7, 2009 | 3:0:38 Please enter your comment entry below. Press 'Preview' to see how it will look. | ||||||||
The Danger of PeacemakerBy Timothy R. ButlerHere is a story. The leaders of a church have a personal agenda against someone and want to quiet him, exact revenge or what have you. They not only come at him within their church, they continue by following him outside of that church to any other church he seeks refuge at and any place he works, making a wreck of his life in the process. That is the sort of thing that only happened in the past, in dusty tales of witch-hunts in Salem or the Inquisition in Spain, right? Wrong: it is happening today, perhaps at a seemingly normal church near you. |
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